Interview s Ottmarem Voglem

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    Interview Massima Santini (chs Diamante Nero, Itálie)  s Ottmarem Vogelem
    bývalým hlavním výcvikářem DV (Dobermann Verein), chovatelem (chs v. Wilden Markgraf), duchovním otcem ZTP (Zuchttauglichkeitprüfung) a jedním z nejlepších znalců plemene dobrman.


    Ottmar Vogel je známou postavou mezi milovníky dobrmanů již od roku 1954.

    V roce 1968 se stal rozhodčím a již v následujícím roce se stává osobou odpovědnou za výcvik v Dobermann Verein (DV), a tuto funkci vykonává až do roku 1978.

    V roce 1970 vytvořil pravidla Körungu (tj. německé výběrové bonitace) a v roce 1975 se účastní na tvorbě pravidel ZTP (základní bonitace).

    V roce 1972 se stává chovatelem, jeho chs nese název
    “v.d. Wilden Markgraf”.

    Od r. 1978 zastával funkci v IDC
    (International Dobermann Club) a od r. 1983 je také rozhodčím pro exteriér.

    Ottmar Vogel je mimo jiné i autorem knihy "Zucht und Sport mit dem Dobermann", která byla přeložena do mnoha jazyků a mezi přiznivci plemene dobrman je dodnes považována za "bibli".

    A figure that ulteriorly has become rich from the acquaintance of
    Rottweiler and of the Shepherds German (judge of job and breeder of
    these two razze and judge of beauty for the Rottweiler).

    These are some meaningful moments that mark the career
    cino-agonistica of Ottmar Vogel in the world of the Dobermann.

    I confess that the main reason that it induces to make to me
    this interview is the fact of wanting to understand because second he -
    that I consider a “Patrimony of the Dobermann” and that still can give
    a lot to the race - it is being attempted to put it from part.

    Sò not to be the solo to having this impression and is for
    this reason that I hope to make to be born from this interview one
    truth who can also represent a hope for the Dobermann and
    for the cinofilia in general terms.

    1 D) I do not hide to them, Mr. Vogel, a sure emotion
    in preparing to me to turn them some questions, emotion that is born
    from the realization of a my dream in the drawer. In the first place, it wants
    to tell to us when and as its interest is begun for

    My interest for the Dobermann race is begun in 1958 visiting
    a canine international exposure.

    From 1954 I took care myself of dogs and training: in 1956 I had
    carried Shepherds German to the SchH and later on the many other dogs
    in contests and numerous tests to the level SchH II and III.

    I have worked with eight various razze, also razze as an example difficult ones
    to train like the Collie and the Airedale Terrier, in SchH licences
    I, II and III.

    2 D) Which aspects has fascinated in particular it?

    What it has hit to me more in the Dobermann has been the aspect,
    meant above all like espressività, nobility, force and movement.

    Moreover, I had read many positive things on the character of this dog
    and, since often the truth appeared various, I wanted to collect
    greater possible number of personal experiences on the race, for
    to be able to know it to bottom.

    Therefore I have maintained tightened contacts with the breeders,
    exhibitors and the more important trainers of the age.

    Very soon I have noticed that the majority of the breeders raised
    only of the beautiful dogs from exposure and that the maximums loaded with the DV
    they did not have idea of the training, the character and
    of the ereditarietà.

    Pack-saddles to say that a President of the DV then supported, writing to me
    (and it I can still document), than the character it is not inherited and
    that only thanks to the good one are obtained determined performances
    preparation of the trainer…

    Not there was no regulation for the breeding,
    simply “it was produced”.

    Since in an arc of relatively short time I was successful to
    obtaining sure successes, some persons have noticed to me and thus I have
    tried to throw the bases of the training and to approach i
    you concern us of the DV to the character of a dog from job.

    They have been over a long time span friendly of the Mr. H.Palmer (Breeding von
    Fürstenfeld), sure we were not always of same the opinion, but
    nobody knew better than he the Type of the Race and from he I have
    learned a lot.

    3 D) I would want to know from she when and because its has interrupted itself
    relationship with the DV.

    Or sincere, if it can…

    Siccome I inside had several charges of the DV
    (In charge of the Training and of the Job, In charge of i
    Judges DV and IDC, In charge of the Breeding, etc.), in those
    period, against the will of some persons, I have been able to institute
    many important regulations for the breeding:

    a) 1976: ZTP (Zuchttauglichkeitsprüfung = suitability test
    to the breeding), nearly identical to its form they puts into effect.

    b) 1970: Regulations of the Körung, 1986 added new.

    c) 1971: Title of champion only accredited to the dogs with at least
    SchH I.

    d) Körung and ZTP were carried out in relief manifestations, very
    advertised, and the interested breeders had in this way
    possibility to estimate the quality of the dogs.

    Moreover, they are successful with many articles to influence breeders and
    owners towards determined positive developments of the race.

    All the German Championships came organized from me, chose i
    judges and figuring I prepared, them I trained and them specifically
    for this important task.

    I have held conferences and refresher course for
    the training, the breeding and the character of the race
    all over the world.

    Also in Italy I have held conferences and course of training from

    To these some persons participated whom still today they have of
    charges inside of the AIAD and that they have learned from me
    the bases of the race.

    The breach with the DV has been had in years 1988-1992.

    The cause was my conviction that the President, Mr. Wiblishauser
    it was not interested to the improvement of the race, but only to
    politics in the Club.

    It, with the aid of the responsible for the breeding, has
    boycotted and refused all my proposals for an improvement
    of the race.

    Moreover, to not it wanted more me in the commission for the Körung, although
    I had been to establish and to develop this test of selection.

    It is easy to understand that these unsurmountable divergences have provoked
    the breach.

    4 D) Towards the end of years 80, speaking with Mr. Roberto Zorzi,
    learned of its divergences with the maximums loaded with the DV care
    to its firm contrarietà to raise in tight consanguinity on
    Hertog Alpha v. the Dobry, motivating its conviction, underneath
    the characterial and vocational aspect, with the fact that this
    type of connection would have had outcomes negatives in the selection
    genetics of the race.

    At a distance of many years and forehead to the truth of the facts, at this point in
    Germany can unfortunately calmly be spoken about two razze also
    in the Dobermann (job/beauty) as it has happened in the Shepherds German and
    in the Rottweiler.

    It is possible to lead back those its “old considerations” to
    what then of fact it has happened in the Dobermann?

    Obviously yes.

    The issue Hertog Alpha v.le Dobry is clear as the simple sun and
    to understand.

    Who is competent in the breeding techniques knows also i
    problems of this dog.

    Hertog Alpha v.le Dobry was a beautiful short male, equipped of skeleton
    sturdy, sturdy head (stop to the limit), with a jaw a lot
    good, a little lacking the length the head and with faces
    lateral of the skull sporgenti and a normal character.

    Very trained era and the succeeding has exceeded Körung-DV with.

    Hertog Alpha v.le Dobry comes from the line Don Dayan von
    Franckenhorst and its maternal line carried dogs partially little ones, but
    also equipped of a good predatorio impulse.

    Don Dayan was, regarding the character and the attitude
    to the job, a riproduttore weak person; for which Hertog Alpha v.le Dobry not
    he was, in the majority of the cases, a riproduttore apt to improve
    the character.

    The consequence was that it carried dogs many bonds for how much concerns
    to the structure and at the same time great problems of character,
    resistance and robustness; for the beauty, in the breeding in
    consanguinity, carried also some relative problem to the tipicità
    of the witness.

    For this reason I had always perceived to avoid the grip
    consanguinity on this line and the failure has given to me

    Some sons, champions of this line like Graf Guido von
    Franckenhorst gave in dominant way bad ones nearly characters.

    The character of this dog and that one of its Golda sister von
    Franckenhorst was of for himself much problematic one.

    The brother Gringo von Franckenhorst was weak person of nerves and it was succeeded
    to a little hide the single problem with a skillful one

    The specialist but noticed some…

    I had the impression that the Directive one of the DV was not interested
    to these problems and thus I have introduced in 1991, in the within
    of the reunion of the judges, a directory from which turned out that i
    descendants males of that dog influenced 80% of all
    the breeding.

    This explained because it was unavoidably joints to a loss of

    The evil of this matter, but, was that the commission breeding
    it did not know not even the genealogia of the several ones stalloni.

    I have had to clear they it situation.

    A profitable collaboration for the improvement of the race cannot
    to come true itself thus with persons.

    And unfortunately, it does not put into effect them to it responsible of the breeding
    they have comprised the real problems.

    5 D) Second its experience cinofila, agrees on the fact that i
    damages that a lot often are taken place in the zootecnica selection of
    race depends from a lacked connection (meant like effective
    collaboration) between the responsibles of the breeding and of

    Sure yes.

    Other lines of blood did not come recognized from the responsibles
    of the breeding.

    Like as an example Bingo von Ellendonk or some descendants of the line
    Ellendonk: if they had been favorite in the breeding, we would have
    had undoubtedly a remarkable improvement in the character.

    Naturally these dogs were not always Champions of Beauty, but
    character and the attitude to the job was indeed a lot

    Unfortunately this upgrades them has been ignored.

    Nobody of the responsibles of the commission breeding has had, than
    I know, positive initiatives for the improvement of the character
    of the race.

    The charge came covered of time in time, without to fix of
    objectives and without a program.

    Now, logically, not there is from being astonished that these persons
    they do not decide of a deep one and completes competence.

    An other problem was placed for the proportions of the race.

    The maximum height to the garrese of 72 cm for i had been convene that
    males did not have to be old.

    No judge apart from me has never disqualified a male
    because of the excessive height.

    It is easy to demonstrate that the too much high dogs have deficiencies in the movement
    and in the construction, that it is explained with the acquaintance of Statics;
    moreover, the higher stature gets worse the angolatura of the limbs

    Me memory of a champion raised in Italy that has gained all i
    tito them also in Germany, it had decidedly of the front angolature
    insufficient and this dog, after to have wide won, has been criticized
    from the same responsibles of its vincite ones, in way completely

    I add that the problem of the excessive thoracic height comes,
    fortunately, resolved from the nature.

    6 D) Me turns out that in these last 19 years it has often happened to them of
    to judge the Dobermann race in important manifestations in all
    World; from its position only of Judge, not having currently
    official charges within the DV and to the IDC, than judgment it can
    to give in general terms on it puts into effect them truth of the race?

    Currently the race crosses a loss of quality that
    rispecchia in the lack of attitude to the job, robustness and

    It must take of action

    Because of the prohibition to amputate orecchie and tail has been remarkablly

    Personally, I think that you concern us of the DV have not been engaged
    enough seriously in order to prevent this prohibition.

    7 D) Is famous that it, since first years 80, has given one
    large contribution for the just development of the Dobermann race in

    At a distance more than 20 years, which it is its judgment on the situation
    of the race in Italy?

    Sul Dobermann in Italy I can only declare that from a little
    of time it is not granted to me to judge and it puts into effect therefore it them
    level me is not famous.

    Fact is that also in Italy the breeders are little who search one
    improvement of the character.

    Unfortunately the relationship with Dr. Pezzano has been interrupted: also he
    it prefers to make politics with the Mr. Wiblishauser.

    8 D) As it sees its development future?

    For the outer form they are of the opinion that the race has lost
    importance and as dog from job has lost “the coupling”: of
    consequence, is not convinced that a large one will be carried out.

    The problem is not never from searching in the dog, but always in the man
    and between the responsibles of a race.

    At the end of 2002, after 42 years, I have decided () to exit from the DV,
    as a result of the provision of the Mr. Wiblishauser of bloccarmi and not
    to allow me neither, neither to my lawyer to defend to me.

    Even if you had to gain the process in course, he would have equally
    the possibility of bloccarmi like judge and with persons of this
    kind I do not have more wish than to practice mine hobby.

    The Mr. Wiblishauser has assumed illicit a double assignment (1°
    President and In charge of the College of the Judges).

    This was not admitted the Charter second and for this reason he it
    it has simply modified.

    Mr. Wiblishauser not chip ax no critic and all those which
    they have been allowed to make opposition have been excluded from the club.

    This is the situation puts into effect them.

    Ringraziando it in order to have granted this interview to us, I express
    certainty of the fact that its declarations will serve to make yes that in
    cinofilia the true protagonist is always the dog!

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